Welsh Journals

Apr., 1878. BYE-GONES. 25 APRIL 3, 1878. NOTES. MONEY IN 1674.—Mr. Pennant in his History of Whitford publishes a letter from Sir Roger Mostyn to Pyers Pennant, asking for £4 due to him for a pair of Oxen, and excusing himself for thus troubling his friend, by stating that he wanted to make up £20 to send his son to Oxford. Mr. Pennant observes that'' at this time (1674) money was so scarce" that £4 was the price of a pair of oxen. Nemo. RICHARDE STANYE THE ELDER of Oswester, Marcer.—Will 1540 (5 "Alenger," Prerog: Ct: Canterbury).—To be buried in Oswestry church "in the Chapell of o'r blessed lady even against and before the Image and picture of saint Margaret the virgine. Item I will that my executours incontynent after my decease shall prepare and by a Marbill Stone graven to cover my grave wt all and that to be substanciall after an honest sort. ... I geve and bequeth xiij gownes in the Honour of god and the twelfe apostilles whiche gownes my will is that they be bestowed to xiij old auncyent and discrete poore men. ... to everey sonne and doughter of my loving brother John Draper xxs sterling a pece. . . . Item I will and charge my sonne David Stany and his heires. . . . that he finde observe and kepe an anuall dirige or obite duringe the space of a hunderth yeres. . . painge yerely therfor xiijs iiijrf ... to the mayntenaunce and reparacon of the said church of Oswester. . vli sterlinge. . . . my loving Cosing John price clerke and person of Whitton. . . . my weddid wife Jan verch David lloid app owen. . . . my welbeloved sonnes Thomas Staney David Staney Mr. Robert Staney (clerk and person of Sullatton) and Richard Stany the yonger. . . . Blanche my eldest doughter and wif to Master Richard Raynolde citizen of London. . . . my doughter Jane being wif to one Master Watson Citizen of London.....Johan my doughter being wif to Jenn lloid. . . . my doughter Elizabeth being wif to Edwarde lloid. . . . my wel¬ beloved Nevewes John Price and person of Whitton and Hughe ap John of the same towne draper. ... in Witnes. . . Owen app David Curat Robert Aphowel Alderman John app Thomas ap alderman Edward ap Mereotes alderman of the same towne of Oswester Richard Baker, Borges." J.C.C.S. [Such of our readers as have preserved the interesting list of Oswestry burgesses of the 16th century, given in Bye-gones Mar, 28,1877, will find in it mention of " Thomas Staney mrcer son and heyr to Rch Staney thelder"; also " Thomas Staney the youngr son and heyr to Robert Staney." The latter " clerk and person of Sullatton," is given in Brown Willis's list as • Robert Stanney, rector of Selattyn, vicar of Meifod, instituted by Bishop Warton, 1537." In the list ot old burgesses previously alluded to, several of the other parties to the above will are also included. The foregoing extract will also tend to confirm the opinion of the Rev. D. R. Thomas (Feb. 26,1873) that Oswestry Church contained a chapel dedicated to St. Mary, and not merely a chancel.—Ed.1 QUERIES. THOMAS MORGAN OF CILIAU AERON.— I find in Jones's History of Brecknockshire that in 1608 the Rev. Henry Rogers was appointed to the vicarage of Llywel by Thomas Morgan, of Ciliau Aeron. Can any of your readers inform me of what family Mr. Morgan was, and how he (a Cardiganshire man) had the living of Uywel in his gift then, as the Bishop now has the presentation? Myfanwy. BRIEFS AT LLANYMYNECH.—In the Llan- ymynech Parish Registers, amongst numerous quaint entries, are found the following :— "1692. 5 Feb. Collected towards ye redemption of captives four shillings and two pence." "1699. Apr. 23. Collected towards ye relief of ye distressed protestants ye sum of one pound two shillings and four pence." Who were the captives, and the distressed protestants ? Can any one say what was the result of the efforts to liberate the former, and aid the latter ? Llertwef. [We should be exceedingly obliged to our correspondent for any selection from the "quaint entries" for publication in Bye- gones. We mean such as he may not have occasion to use in the parochial history on which he is now engaged.—Ed.] RfiPLIES. DOLWYDDELAN OR DOLYDDELEN? (Mar. 20, 1878).—Upon the next Thursday before the festival of S. Lawrence, 1281, Llewelyn, Prince of Wales, Lord of Snaudun, dates a Charter from Doluythelan. The Minister's Accounts of the Crown for Wales begin some few years after the conquest of the Principality, before Edw. I. had created his son Prince of Wales (which he did in the year 1300, when Edward of Carnarvon was in his sev enteenth year, not as most people believe, upop his birth at Carnarvon), and they extend to some time in the reign of Charles I. If your correspondent will search through them, I will challenge him to find a single instance of the place being spelt, or called, otherwise than it has hitherto been. In the Great Extent of North Wales, or Record of Carnarvon, taken in 26, Edw. III. (1353), Tfind the ville of Dolwythelan, or a spelling having the same force. In an original deed, conveying the ffrithes of Dolwt¬ thelan to John Wyn ap Meredith, of Cwydir, occurs as follows:—"This indenture made the xvjth day of may in the xxiijth yere of the reign of our soueraign lord kyng henry the viijt betwen Gruff, ap lliwelyn ap Robert f ermor of the ffrithes of dolewethelan on that one partie and John Wyn ap Meredith ap Jeuan ap Robert on tother partie witnesseth " &c. Here are authorities somewhat before the time of Sir John Wynn, who died in March, 1626-7, and are not vague traditions, but would hold good in a court of justice. Upon the monument erected in Llanrwst Church to the memory of his ancestors, by Sir Richard Wynn, it is stated that " He (Meredith Wynn, who died in 1525) removed and endowed the Church of Saint Gwyddelan, dur¬ ing the third Tournean expedition, in the fifth year of Henry the Eighth." If the Cambrian News correspondent likes to change the name of this little village as it pleases him, who has a right to object to it ? We are not bound to adopt his change ; but it puts me in mind of an occurrence near my own home here. There is a small hamlet, little larger than Dolwyddelan, called Llwyngwril. A good friend of mine, now no more, an Englishman, always called it Thin Gruel, and to some extent I fear that our summer visitors, to whom we are so much indebted for bringing intelligence and money into " Wild Wales," have adopted this harmless absurdity. Who shall say if the new name of Dolwyddelan is adopted, Dolyddelen, will not become Dolly Dellen ! ! It was not from Merionethshire, but from Cesailgyfarch, in Evionedd, that Meredith Wynn removed to Nant Con¬ way, and he was great-grandfather, not grandfather, to Sir John Wynn. W.